Transcript: 51st Extra-Ordinary Council Meeting

Opening and prayer

00:00:18Good morning

00:00:24prayer or meditation.

00:00:40Thank you so much, you may be seated.

00:01:00Good morning councillors. It is hereby notified that the 51st extraordinary council meeting of the City of Johannesburg Municipality will be held on Tuesday the 26th of May 2026 at 10:00 a.m. at the Constance Connie Bapela Council Chamber in Braamfontein. And the first item on the agenda is opening.

Welcome, protocol and order in the chamber

00:01:25Maybe we can get organized. Councillor Johannes, can you move to your seat?

00:01:36Thank you so much. Executive Mayor of the City of Johannesburg, Councillor Sello Morero. Deputy Executive Mayor, Councillor L. Masuku. Whip of Council, Councillor Кazamula Chauke. Chair of Chairs,

00:01:58Chair of Chairs, Councillor Vhani Marema, all political party leaders and whips, members of the Mayoral Committee, Chairpersons of Section 79 Committees.

00:02:16Councillors, MMCs, Chairpersons, I don't understand whilst we are doing the opening, MMCs, Councillors, Chairs are walking in. Have we forgotten? Have we forgotten the rules of Council? And others are making a noise outside.

00:02:44Colleagues, I did not come here to be a mother. I came here to be a Speaker. So can we please adhere to the rules.

00:03:00I'll restart. Executive Mayor of the City of Johannesburg, Councillor Sello Morero, Deputy Executive Mayor, Councillor Loyiso Masuku, Whip of Council, Councillor Кazamula Chauke, Chair of Chairs, Councillor Vhani Marema, all political party leaders and whips, members of the Mayoral Committee,

00:03:29Chairpersons of Section 79 Committees, fellow Councillors, the City Manager, Dr. Floyd Brink, Secretary to Council, Mr. Andile Gobinca, officials of the City of Johannesburg, most importantly, the residents of the City of Johannesburg, members of the media present, ladies and gentlemen, I welcome you all to the 51st Extraordinary Council Meeting of the City of Johannesburg Municipality.

Counting of councillors and quorum

00:04:04Councillors, at this point, I will allow 10 minutes for the number of councillors present in the chamber to be counted, and verification of the numbers of councillors who have signed the register so as to confirm quorum. This does not give an opportunity for those seated to be leaving the chamber.

00:04:36Thank you colleagues. We'll start the counting now. We will be done at 10:15, and if you are in the chamber, please be seated.

00:11:28[inaudible] Can we be seated? If you're not a councillor, can you move out? We are starting council.

00:11:46Can we be seated? All non-councillors, can you move out?

00:12:03Thank you colleagues. On the register, we are 172. Uh in the chamber as they counted, 158, but you were moving up and down. There's still others moving in. So we quorate, we'll start council.

Applications for leave of absence

00:12:30We now proceed to applications for leave of absence.

00:12:36As an office, we've only received one leave of absence. Councillor F. Abdool, party business. Thank you so much. Can we get from whips? Councillor Harris at the back.

00:12:55Good morning Madam.

00:12:56You are next in line, Councillor Masera, Councillor De Lange, and then Councillor Munyayi, and then Councillor Ndlela, and then Councillor Simonse, and then Ma'am Makhuba. That's the only hands. Can we go in that sequence?

00:13:29Thank you Madam Speaker, good morning to you and good morning to all the colleagues. Please excuse Councillor Norman Mkhonza, he's away on private business. Thank you.

00:13:42Thank you Councillor. Councillor Masera.

00:13:45Good morning Speaker, and good morning to all the colleagues. I've got the following LOAs for councillors: Councillor Eleanor Huggett, private business; Councillor Tim Truluck, private business; Councillor Makatisane Papo, party business; Councillor Gerry Ramaru, party business; Councillorirme Benjamin, party business; Councillor Vasco Da Gama, party business;

00:14:14Councillor Bongani Nkomo, private business; Councillor Florence Roberts, ill health; Councillor Lerato Mphefo, ill health; Councillor Maureen Mnisi, ill health; Councillor Faye Chame, bereavement, family bereavement; Councillor Zander Shawe, party business; Councillor Scheck Chabalala, party business; Councillor Lynda Shackleford, ill health; Councillor Chantelle Fourie-Shawe,

00:14:43party business; Councillor David Dewes, party business; Councillor Gert Niemand, party business; Councillor B. Campbell, party business; Councillor Stuart Marais, party business; and Councillor Alex Christians will arrive late. Thank you Speaker.

00:15:02Thank you Councillor. Next Councillor.

00:15:08Good morning Madam Speaker. LOA for Councillor Cor Boer, urgent private business. Thank you.

00:15:16Thank you Councillor. Next Councillor, Councillor Munyayi.

00:15:23TshivendaNdi matsheloni Vho-Spikara, ndi matsheloni u swika vhashumisani. From kha ActionSA ri na Khanselara Mwale, Khanselara Nkomo, a vha ngo vuwa zwavhudi. Khanselara Mohlala, family responsibility. Vho-Khanselara Vho-Mkhonto, party business. Ndo livhuwa.

00:15:48Thank you Councillor. Councillor Ndlela.

00:15:54Thank you Madam Speaker and good morning to you. On the ANC caucus we have Councillor Mazibukwana who is bereaved in the province and Councillor Noe is arriving late due to a breakdown. Thank you.

00:16:04Thank you so much Councillor Ndlela. Councillor Simonse.

00:16:08Good morning Madam Speaker. For the Patriotic Alliance, MMC Kunene will be running late, council business, and Councillor Davids will also be running late. Thank you.

00:16:18Thank you Councillor. Councillor Makhuba.

00:16:23Thank you Speaker. For the IFP, Councillor Nyembe, ill health.

00:16:30Thank you Councillor. Councillor Mogapi.

00:16:35Thank you Speaker. For the EFF it's Councillor Makhafola running late, Councillor Ngwenya ill health. Thank you.

00:16:41Thank you so much Councillor Mogapi. Are these apologies noted? Thank you so much.

00:16:50Speaker. I had raised my hands, maybe you did not see me.

00:16:54Apologies, I didn't see your hand.

00:16:56Thank you. Councillor Gwamanda is running late.

00:16:58Thank you so much Councillor. Apologies, I really didn't see your hand.

Recommendations to council: KfW loan item introduced

00:17:06We now proceed to recommendations to council.

00:17:13Executive Mayor.

00:17:19Good morning Speaker of Council, Chief Whip Councillor Кazamula Chauke. I stand here to table the reports for consideration by council. Thank you.

00:17:33Thank you so much Executive Mayor.

00:17:38Moving to the first item, and that is the request for approval and authorization to enter into a loan agreement with KfW in the 2025/26 to 2027/28 financial years.

Chief Whip requests caucus; recess

00:17:54Chief Whip.

00:17:58Morning Speaker. I greet you Madam Speaker, I greet the Executive Mayor, the Deputy Executive Mayor, Chair of Chairs, all whips of council, and all honorable councillors in the chamber. I just need to ask for a caucus for 15 minutes.

00:18:22Caucus granted, you come back at 10:35. It's 10:20, you come back at 10:35.

00:22:55isiZulu[inaudible] I just wanna know mina Mphile ukuthi i-delivery yami ngiyithola nini cause ngiy'updetile i-address yami. Ngifuna ukwazi ukuthi i-delivery yami izofika nini.

00:23:20isiZuluIma kancane ngi-checke.

00:23:39Uh, a re 260

00:23:46Hello. Yeah it's 260, 50,

00:24:00Uh, a re, 588 011 380.

00:24:59isiZuluNgiy'updetile mina mase ngiy'bhekile cause uh angazi bekwenzakalani ukuthi nina nilahleke cause I've been receiving my deliveries from you guys. Bathi ngiyamangala uma ngibافonela bathi i-address was wrong.

00:25:17isiZuluYiyo i-correct leyo.

00:25:20[inaudible] Make sure that no one takes. I'll take.

00:25:32SesothoBafethu, ha ke tsebe le ntho eo a e buang today.

00:25:44Thina we have a license. [inaudible] We have a license, wena [inaudible]

Resumption after caucus and Chief Whip report-back

00:38:38Colleagues, can we settle down? Can we take our seats? If you are not a councillor, please move remove yourself.

00:38:58Elizabeth? Elizabeth, can you move out, please? Colleagues, can we settle down? We are 5 minutes over the time. Councillor Masao.

00:39:32Colleagues, we are starting. Chief Whip, can you report back?

00:39:46Madam Speaker.

00:39:48Calling chickens. Ah-ah! Ah-ah! Please. Thank you, Chief Whip.

00:39:56Thanks, Speaker. Eh, the matters which wanted to look at it, we have looked at it. We thank you. We can continue.

PA caucus request cut to 15 minutes and withdrawn

00:40:05Thank you so much, Chief Whip. Thank you so much. We move on to the speakers. Where's the hand? Councillor Simonse.

00:40:25Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Patriotic Alliance is asking for 30 minute caucus, please.

00:40:32I I I want to ask and I do not deny anybody from their rights. But, I also need to understand when we ask for caucus do we not all do what we have to do within that time? And we are even late now.

00:41:01Colleagues, it can't be. It honestly can't be. We have one item. We need to deal with the one item. Some of us still need to go and deal with the procedures of tomorrow. So, I am not going to grant you 30 minutes. I'm going to grant you 15 minutes and 15 minutes sharp.

00:41:23Okay, Madam Speaker. Then, we withdraw our caucus. Thank you.

ACDP opposes the KfW loan

00:41:27Thank you so much, ma'am. It's appreciated, but I really, honestly think that if we go for a caucus, let us all use that time. Thank you so much. Can we move to Councillor C, eh, to Councillor R. Harris.

00:41:47Good morning, Madam Speaker, once again, Executive Mayor, MMCs, CM, all officials

00:41:54Councillor Harris, just hold on. Can I ask for less movement? Thank you, Councillor Harris.

00:42:04Madam Speaker, I rise to speak to the request to enter into a loan agreement. Uh, City Power is in crisis. The R4.6 billion allocated to capital projects over 3 years. The Infrastructure Development Grant is a relevant, uh, relative pittance that they receive. The overdraft on the sweeping account is over R16 billion and growing. The entity has to service the nearly 80,000 people streaming into Johannesburg annually. The debt owed to Eskom is R5.2 billion. We are at the end of a 5-year tenure now. This council is being asked to commit to a loan where a portion will attract interest of R616 million. This equates to 30 biannual payments of R44 million. To put this into perspective, the annual maintenance budget for council-owned housing stock is half that amount. In addition, R17.5 million is a once-off upfront cost for entering into this agreement.claim

00:43:11There's no investment in underserviced areas. Resource allocation is questionable. There seems to be no input from the Presidential Working Group and the bomb squad to pressurize national and provincial treasuries to support the city financially. Public-private partnerships that could assist the city financially are trapped in a bureaucratic maze. Instead, hundreds of million are hundreds of millions are given to formalise informal settlements. We at the end of the council's tenure, as the ACDP, we feel it is unfair to commit the next council and the next generations to an agreement that is questionable. We will not be supporting this item. Thank you.claim

IFP and AIC positions

00:43:57Thank you, Councillor Harris. Um IFP Councillor T. Mkhize.

00:44:07isiZuluEh, thank you Speaker. Eh ngikubingelele, ngibingelele i-Executive Mayor eh our MMC mayoral candidate uKhansela uMlungisi Mabaso. Eh Speaker, as IFP caucus we note the report. I thank you.

00:44:26Thank you, Councillor Mkhize. Um AIC Councillor Mhlongo.

00:44:33Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Good morning to the Executive Mayor, Councillor Morero, eh greetings to the Deputy Mayor, Councillor Masuku, Chief Whip, Councillor Kazibula Chauke, eh Chair of Chairs, Marema, members of the Mayoral Committee, chairpersons of Section 79 and all councillors in the house. The AIC is noting the report, ma'am, and we are going to support it. Thank you.

ATM and PA support the loan

00:45:00Thank you, Councillor um Mhlongo. ATM Councillor Magwentshu.

00:45:18Can the back row on my right, please. Is it IT or is it councillors?

00:45:25Uh it was councillors.

00:45:27Please, colleagues. Thank you, councillor.

00:45:33Eh as I greet you, Madam Speaker, allow me to say, Ka Bo Yellow.

00:45:46Eh we have the new champions of Africa, Madam Speaker, Mamelodi Sundowns. The number one team in Africa. The only team in the southern hemisphere that has got two stars.claim

00:46:07Greetings to the Executive Mayor. Ka Bo Yellow, Matjoro. Ka Bo Yellow, Ntate Chauke, Whip of Council. Ka Bo Yellow, Deputy Executive Mayor. Ka Bo Yellow to all the councillors.

00:46:36Madam Speaker, you know, there's no reason why we should be debating this item. Because this item was brought into this house, and this council approved this item. So, today, we couldn't be saying when we agreed that it should be it should form part of our funding model, that we say today we do not want it. That we say today we will be committing the the next council. Uh as a result, Madam Speaker, I'm saying, Ka Bo Yellow to this item.

00:47:24Thank you.

00:47:27I'm not sure whether I must say, Ka Bo Yellow or whatever.

00:47:33Yes, Madam Speaker, say Ka Bo Yellow.

00:47:35Thank you so much. Councillor D. Ponsonby from the PA.

00:47:44Good morning, Madam Speaker, Executive Mayor, Deputy Executive Mayor, MMCs, uh what is this? The Chief Whip of Council, Chairpersons. Uh let me say, Hela Yalo! That's how we greet, Hela Yalo! The the the PA notes and approves this report. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

ActionSA rejects the loan

00:48:07Thank you, Councillor Ponsonby. Uh Action SA Councillor Nkonyeni.

00:48:15isiZuluHayibo, kahleni. Ngibingelele,

00:48:20Councillors, allow him to speak. And even your own.

00:48:27isiZuluNgibingelele, Speaker. Ehm, all protocol observed. Cha, Speaker, ngempela siyi Action SA siyathanda ukuhalalisa i-Sundowns, eh yenze umsebenzi omuhle kakhulu. Eh ngale kwalokho ke, Speaker, ngoba sasilana kuleli viki elidlulile, salibeka sasho ukuthi asikwazi ukuyixhasa lento, kusenjalo namanje, asikwazi ukuthi futhi sishintshe ayikhonakali chomi. Eh seku-late, seku-late manje, Speaker, sifuna ukuyosebenza nje impela. Eh uyabona, iyona nje into esibhekene nayo, so eh Speaker, uyabona ngendlela abamemeza ngayo, ake, ngifuna ukwenza i-speech sami phela manje.

00:49:12isiZuluAwuna wadi, awuna wadi.

00:49:16Councillors.

00:49:18isiZuluSpeaker, uyabona ke bangidlela isikhathi. Seku-late phela manje.

00:49:24Councillors, please! Councillors, please!

00:49:28isiZuluEh futhi angeke sishintshe ngoba angazi ngempela, ngempela ukuthi sibizelweni la, angazi ukuthi sizothini la, Speaker. Uyabo, sizama ukuthi asihlanganise, sifuna ukuhlanganisa uZulu so that ngomhlaka-30, uyabo, so that ngomhlaka-30 bakhona abayohlangana nembila zithutha. Ngiyabonga we, Speaker. Sayi-rejecter futhi nje lento, kusenjalo namanje.

DA supports the loan after amendments

00:49:58Councillor Santana from the Democratic Alliance.

00:50:04Madam Speaker, Executive Mayor, Deputy Executive Mayor. Mortgaging the future through debt today is not a decision that should ever be taken lightly. An 18-year-old scholar perhaps sitting in Matric today, or one of the many unemployed young people who had no seat in this council chamber and no voice in these deliberations will likely be in their 40s by the time this loan is finally paid or repaid. That is the long-term burden we are placing on the next generation. The uncomfortable truth is it's easy to take on debt, but it's far more difficult to exercise financial discipline. Real financial stewardship requires planning, saving, prioritizing needs over wants, and remaining committed to long-term sustainability. The same principles apply to households, apply equally to government.

00:50:56A city that has continued borrowing borrows funds to uh to fund its obligations risks trapping residents in a cycle where tomorrow's opportunities are sacrificed to pay for today's failures. Madam Speaker, unfortunately, we find ourselves between a rock and a hard place. City Power has become and continues to be a significant drain on the city's financial resources. Yet, residents rightly demand infrastructure that is reliable, maintained, and capable of supporting economic growth and daily life. It is precisely for this reason that good governance, accountability, and oversight are essential. The Democratic Alliance

00:51:38raised several serious concerns regarding both the report and the conditions attached to the to the loan. Among the concerns raised were the following: The conditions of the loan and the council report did not adequately align with each other or one another. The report described the intent, the intended use too broadly as City Power electrical infrastructure without significant or sufficient project-specific detail. The allocation of the project coordinator and the German government monitoring mechanisms were not properly reflected in the recommendations.

00:52:13The report did not provide sufficient safeguards to prevent the loan from later being redirected towards operational expenditure under the broad description of City Power electrical infrastructure. The freezing of the executive salary increases and performance-related adjustments at City Power for the duration of the loan period was not clearly articulated despite the severe financial pressures facing the city. The recommendations are not expressly state that the loan would be redirected exclusively to the listed projects nor were the projects fully incorporated into the report itself.

00:52:48These concerns demonstrate demonstrate that the Democratic Alliance commitment to good governance and to ensuring that the councillors are provided with sufficient, transparent, and credible information to make informed decisions that carry long-term financial implications. Madam Speaker, we therefore welcome the inclusion of the amendments requested by the Democratic Alliance together with additional nine annexures and amendments made to both the report and recommendations which will now provide significantly greater detail and clarify or clarity regarding the conditions and governance framework attached to this loan.

00:53:24These annexures include the Annexure 1, the results matrix; Annexure 2, which is a project list; Annexure 3, total cost of financing; Annexure 4, the disbursement procedure; Annexure 5, the procurement guidelines; Annexure 6, the environmental and social commitment plan; Annexure 7, declaration of undertaking; Annexure 8, which is most important, the terms of reference for annual audit and procurement and fund verification; Annexure 9, the content and form of reporting to KfW.

00:53:57We further welcome the amendment recommendations following the deliberations which now include: Council notes and approves the conditions attached to the loan as outlined in Annexures 1 to 9. Council notes and that the project coordinator and the German government will monitor the implementation of the projects. Council approves the freezing of executive salary increases and performance-related adjustments at City Power, the state-owned company limited for a minimum period of 2 years and Council notes that the loan will only fund projects specifically listed in Annexure 2.

00:54:34As a Democratic Alliance, it is important that this council fully appreciates the strict conditions attached to this loan together with the updated and gazetted National Treasury regulations, which place increasing responsibility and accountability on public representatives for financial decisions taken in the chamber. Madam Speaker, the loan amount and the key, uh key terms are as follows: The total loan of 200 million euro, estimated to approximately 3.8 billion. The loan tenure is 15 years at a fixed interest rate up to 9% amortized through semi-annual repayments. The disbursements occur annually aligned to City Power's approved capital budget program, which is uh listed in Annexure 2. The expected drawdowns for 2025/26, approximately 732.7 million, with the balance will be drawn down in the subsequent financial years. Uh we are aware of there's no security required and the front-end on-cost, uh the front-end fee of 0.5% estimated at approximately 19 million. An indicative total cost of the loan of the 15 years is approximately 1.349 billion.claim

00:55:40Madam Speaker, while we remain deeply concerned about the city's financial position and the long-term risk associated with debt, we also recognize the urgent need to stabilize and and modernize critical electricity infrastructure. Based on the additional conditions, amendments, annexures, and oversight mechanisms now included, the Democratic Alliance will support the loan. I thank you.claim

EFF and UDM notes and support

00:56:01Thank you, Councillor Santana. EFF Councillor Zitha.

00:56:08Thank you very much, Speaker. Greetings to the EFF leadership, uh party leader, uh Councillor Khonkhobe, um Chief Whip and Chairperson of Health, Thabiso Mogapi, Chairperson uh, sorry, MMC of Health and uh Social Development, Eunice Mgcina, MMC of Public Safety, uh Mgcina, Mosh ಕಾಮ, Chairperson of uh MPAC, uh Councillor Sepetlele Raseruthe.

00:56:38Eh Speaker, I understand where Chairperson Magwentshu is coming from. He's teaching us a new language of Ka Bo Yellow. I mean, everyone is mizing this win of CAF. Everyone is talking about the uh Pirates new kit, you know, the home and away for next season. And congratulations again to Orlando Pirates to taking the better way. As the EFF, we note.

00:57:15Thank you, Councillor Zitha. UDM Councillor Zigebe. Thank you, councillors.

00:57:33Madam Speaker, let me congratulate the only team that has made history, winning the league, winning the game without even lifting a finger.emotive

00:57:49isiZuluEzikaMagebhula ezagebhula umhlaba kaMasipala ngenkani.

00:57:55We are groundbreakers. Let me first acknowledge and commemorate a significant day on the African continent's calendar, Africa Day. This day must never become a symbolic celebration disconnected from the realities confronting African people. Africa Day reminds us that liberation was never only about political freedom. It was also about restoring African dignity, identity, memory, and African humanity. That is why the signing of the African Indigenous Spirituality Charter under the stewardship of African Association for Indigenous Spirituality and African Hidden Voices this past Saturday was both significant and necessary. The charter is not about division or attacking anyone's beliefs. It seeks to affirm and protect African indigenous knowledge systems, spirituality, customs, and heritage that were historically marginalized and erased through colonialism and imposed systems of domination.claim

00:58:49Let me acknowledge the contribution of Dr. Nokuzola Mndende, whose work continues to contribute meaningfully to conversations around African indigenous spirituality, African restoration, and the importance of preserving African systems of knowledge and identity in a democratic society. Importantly, this charter stands firmly with the values of our constitutional democracy. The Constitution of South Africa protects freedom of belief, conscience, culture, language, and the rights of communities to practice and preserve their tradition with dignity. The charter is also aligned with international instruments such as the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and the African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights, both which recognize the importance of protecting indigenous identity, heritage, and cultural systems. Madam Speaker, Africa cannot rise while disconnected from itself. African restoration cannot only be economic and political. It must also involve restoring confidence in African civilization, African knowledge systems, and African humanity. Africa Day must therefore become more than a celebration. It must become a commitment to African renewal. We do note and support the

01:00:00the item. Thank you.

ANC supports the loan

01:00:02Thank you, Councillor Zigebe. Councillor Radebe, Radebe from the ANC.

01:00:09isiZuluThank you, Madam Speaker. Ngibingelele uMeya wethu uKhansela uDada Morero, Deputy Executive Mayor, uKhansela uLoyiso Masuku, members of the Mayoral Committee, chairpersons bamakomidi eSection 79. Sibingelele uSotswebhu wethu

01:00:31isiZuluKhansela Khazamula Chauke. Sibingelele uChair of Chairs. Sibingelele wonke amakhansela akhona nabahlali baseGoli eJohannesburg. Madam Speaker siwumbutho kaKhongolose abantwana bakaTambo njengoba sasishilo nasevikini elidlulile ukuthi siyayisapotha impela le-loan. We believe ukuthi isemqoka kakhulu for future generations.

01:00:59isiZuluIt is what we need to lay i-foundation ne-infrastructure esiyidinga kakhulu yogesi. Sibonge nakozakwethu abahlalile bahlaziya babona ukuthi kusemqoka ukuthi bayisapothe nabo le-loan namhlanje njengoba esebekile uKhansela Santana. Sibonge kubo bonke ababonayo ukuthi

01:01:22isiZulufor thina ukuthi siqhubeke siwukhulise umkhandlu waseJohannesburg kuzomele ukuthi sithathe izinqumo namhlanje ezosibhenefitha kusasa. In those words, Madam Speaker, as the African National Congress we approve the loan. Thank you.

MMC Masuku responds to the debate

01:01:36Thank you so much, Councillor. MMC Masuku.

01:01:42Thank you, Madam Speaker. Good morning to you, Ma'am. The Executive Mayor Councillor Dada Morero, the Whip of Council Councillor Khazamula Chauke, Chair of Chairs, fellow MMCs as well as fellow councillors and leaders of all parties, thank you to Councillor Mkhize, Councillor Mhlongo, Councillor Magwentshu, Councillor Ponsonby

01:02:10for and Councillor Radebe for all your remarks which you indicated are not different from your previous inputs. I think, Madam Speaker, through you, Councillor Harris, if indeed, because he speaks about the service and everything that we have to do which will benefit the people, this loan is about benefiting the people.

01:02:37This loan is about ensuring that we secure funding to and it's clear, Councillor Santana, where you are correct. It's clear that it's ring-fenced purely for City Power. It would be treasonous for any government or administration to utilize or try to divert the funds and utilize them for any other thing

01:03:06instead of what KFW has committed to because then it means you would be going against the conditions of the loan as you rightfully put it, Councillor Santana, in the annexures, Annexure 8 and Annexure 2. It's very clear that this is a concessional loan, and it's clear what it must be used for and specifies what has to be utilized for. It's an affordable loan as we indicated earlier, and I think the German Bank is saying let's work. That's why they're putting their weight behind this and

01:03:40for me I think we appreciate caucuses that are actually wanting to make sure Joburg succeeds. Joburg moves forward. This is the kind of a spirit that we should do for the benefit of the residents of Johannesburg. This is the kind of spirit that we should exercise because the Mayor said in the State of the City we are laying a foundation. Now, this foundation is not about you and me.

01:04:08You are correct. It will take 15 years. It might be more. It is for our grandchildren. It is for our great-grandchildren to inherit a city that has got has been able to stabilize through decisions that we make today. And the decisions that we make today are decisions that secure the future to save and make sure that we retain Johannesburg in its rightful place of being a world-class African city.

01:04:38So, thank you to all the councillors who are actually indeed voting for this loan for progress. It's unfortunate, Madam Speaker, that the erstwhile Mayor of the I don't know they are calling themselves the hit squad or what under Herman Mashaba, they are saying to their residents we don't want infrastructure for you. They are saying to the residents of Joburg we don't want lights on for you. ActionSA is voting against service delivery.emotive

01:05:08ActionSA is voting against progress for Johannesburg. We thank all the caucuses that have supported and we ask you support this loan. And when you know that you know what you need to know, what you need to know is for parties that vote for progress and the ANC-led Government of Local Unity is one of those. Thank you, Madam Speaker.emotive

Vote on the KfW loan

01:05:29Thank you so much, MMC. JRA at work. MMC MMC, I know you're at work. Thank you so much.

01:05:56Colleagues, thank you. The recommendations are on pages 1.4 to 1.5. Is the item agreed to? I have I clearly heard the yeses. But for certain reasons we have to go out to voting. We have to vote for this item.

01:06:26So, can I see those who abstain? Can we ring the bell? Before you count, can we ring the bell? Thank you for the reminder.

01:07:22Thank you so much. Can we see those who abstain? Okay. Can we say can we see those that say no?

01:09:15You may lower your hands. Can we see the yeses?

01:09:42Ward councillors!

01:09:47Councillor Munyayi, Councillor Munyayi, stop what you're doing. You are going to be fined R500. If I find anyone with a camera, you are fined R500.

01:10:12Yours was very visible. Yours was I can even see it on the screen. Councillor.

01:10:28Judas Iscariot.

01:10:42isiZuluHamba menemene, hamba

01:12:00You can drop your hands. You can drop your hands. Councillor, you can drop your hand.

01:14:37Thank you so much. The results are in. Those that abstained is zero. Those that said no, it's 44. And the yeses are 181. The item is carried.

Announcements and closure

01:15:08We are now on announcements.

01:15:12Colleagues at the back, we're on announcements. Thank you so much. Councillors, be reminded that tomorrow morning or tomorrow we have two sessions of council. Councillor Ponsonby and MMC Zungu. We have two sessions of council tomorrow.

01:15:38The one would be Councillor Mkhize, Councillor Khanyile.

01:15:47No, thanks very much, Madam Speaker. Before I can say what I wanted to say you, sorry to, I mean, to interrupt you. Madam Speaker, I'd like to first congratulate the Kaizer Chiefs for being number three in the log, showing a very successful season that were able to move from

01:16:14number 10 in the previous le and achieve a lot being a number three, of which that we are going to Africa in the next year. Thank you very much.

01:16:28Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Tomorrow we have two sessions. The first one starts at 9:00, Executive Mayor, and it would be in memory of the late Councillor Tshedo of the EFF as well as Councillor Simphiwe Simelane of the ANC. We start at 9:00.

01:16:59The budget presentation or the budget speech will start at 12:30. And both meetings will be held inside of the chamber. I thank you very much for your contributions, and may you have a good day ahead. Meeting is Thank you.